Henry Dodd Scott 1 2a 2b 3a 4a 5a 6a 6b 6c 6d 6e 6f 6g 6h 6i 6j 6k 7a 8a 9a 10 11a 11b 2c 11c 11d 2d 12a
Birth Name | Henry Dodd Scott |
Gender | male |
Age at Death | about 76 years, 3 months, 28 days |
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Event | Date | Place | Description | Sources |
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Birth | about 1855 | Quakers Yard, Glamorgan, Wales | 3a 4a 5a 10 11a 12a | |
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Residence | 1 December 1886 | Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 6e 6f | |
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Occupation | 1 December 1886 | Painter | 6e 6f | |
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Residence | 6 September 1890 | Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 6h | |
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Occupation | 6 September 1890 | Painter | 6h | |
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Residence | 3 June 1884 | Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 6j | |
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Occupation | 3 June 1884 | Painter | 6j | |
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Residence | 25 November 1890 | Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 11d | |
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Occupation | 25 November 1890 | Painter | 11d | |
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Census | 1891 | 71, Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 3a | |
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Occupation | 1891 | Painter & Decorator | 3a | |
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Residence | 9 May 1892 | 71, Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 6a | |
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Burial (Family) | 9 January 1894 | Aberdare Cemetery, Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales | Plot L9/2 - David John | 13a 8a 14a 15a 7b 16a 17a 7a 18a |
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Mourners yet to be identified:
Mrs Thomas, Pontypridd; (all of the above referenced in both the Merthyr Times and Merthyr Express articles)
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Occupation | 9 May 1892 | Painter | 6a | |
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Residence | 19 July 1894 | 78-79, Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 6g | |
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Occupation | 19 July 1894 | Painter | 6g | |
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Residence | 20 September 1896 | 78-79, Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 6i | |
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Occupation | 20 September 1896 | Painter | 6i | |
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Residence | 1 June 1897 | Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 11c | |
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Occupation | 1 June 1897 | Painter | 11c | |
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Residence | 24 April 1898 | 78-79, Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 6d | |
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Occupation | 24 April 1898 | Painter | 6d | |
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Census | 1901 | 78-79, Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 4a | |
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Occupation | 1901 | House Painter & Oil Colour Shop | 4a | |
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Residence | 9 February 1902 | Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 6b | |
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Occupation | 9 February 1902 | Painter | 6b 6c | |
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Burial (Family) | 7 August 1907 | Trealaw Cemetery, Trealaw, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | Plot G604 - Margaret John née Lewis | 19a 15b 2a 20a 21a 13b 22a |
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Mr. and Mrs. Fred Lewis, M.E., Williamstown (nephew and niece) |
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Residence | 7 August 1907 | Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 2a | |
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Burial (Family) | 12 November 1907 | Trealaw Cemetery, Trealaw, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | Plot G604 - Dafydd John | 19b 15b 2b 20a |
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Residence | 12 November 1907 | Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 2b | |
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Occupation | 23 August 1910 | Painter & Decorator | 6k | |
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Residence | 14 February 1911 | 78-79, Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 11b | |
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Occupation | 14 February 1911 | Painter and Glazier | 11b 2c | |
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Burial (Family) | 18 February 1911 | Treorchy Cemetery, Treorchy, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | Plot S1-13 - Jane Scott née Roberts | 11b 2d 15c |
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Census | 1911 | 78-79, Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 5a | |
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Occupation | 1911 | House Painter | 5a | |
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Census | 1921 | 78-79, Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 12a | |
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Occupation | 1921 | House Decorator | 12a | |
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Residence | 29 April 1931 | 78-79, Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | 9a 11a | |
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Occupation | 29 April 1931 | Painter & Decorator | 11a | |
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Death | 29 April 1931 | 78-79, Llewellyn Street, Pentre, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | Vol 11a Page 644 | 9a 10 11a |
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Probate | 17 June 1931 | London, England | Henry Dodd Scott | 9a |
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Burial | 4 May 1931 | Treorchy Cemetery, Treorchy, Ystradyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales | Plot S1-13 | 11a 15c |
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Families
Family of Henry Dodd Scott and Jane Roberts |
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Married | Wife | Jane Roberts ( * between April 1862 and June 1862 + 14 February 1911 ) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Children |
Name | Birth Date | Death Date |
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Robert John Scott | 5 December 1883 | 25 November 1890 |
Florence Jane Scott | 1 January 1885 | |
Gertrude Mabel Scott | 28 August 1886 | 11 November 1971 |
Lilian Scott | 30 March 1889 | 8 July 1982 |
Albert Henry Scott | 11 March 1892 | |
Gladys May Scott | 11 May 1894 | |
Meta Margaretta Scott | 27 July 1896 | 1 June 1897 |
Eveyln Maud Scott | 21 March 1898 | |
Elsie Olivia Scott | 15 December 1901 | |
Nesta Victoria Scott | 15 December 1901 |
Pedigree
Source References
- General Register Office: England & Wales Marriage Index
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Rhondda Leader
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- Date: 10 August 1907
- Page: Page 3
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Citation:
Death of Mrs. Tom John.
Funeral Obsequies.
Glowing Tributes.
The news of the death of Mrs. Tom John, M.A., although not totally unexpected, was received with a painful shock when the sad news became known on Thursday evening last. The deceased lady had been ailing for many months, and despite the most skilful medical attention, the malignant nature of her terrible disease - internal cancer - was such as to preclude any hope of recovery. She bore her affliction with Christian fortitude, and even in the hour of bitterest agony not a murmur of complaint escaped her lips. Her "passing hence" has evoked the most widespread sympathy with those who are left behind, no fewer than 300 letters of condolence having been received during the week from public men all over the Kingdom.
Mrs. Margaret John was in the 51st year of her age. The daughter of the late Mr. Fredk. Lewis, Penygraig, she was married to Mr. Tom John 33 years ago, and it can be truly said that never was a union which was more truly blessed. Of a singularly retiring disposition, her manifold virtues were manifested within the sacred circle of the hearth. Here she reigned supreme - a devoted wife and an exemplary mother. Her companionship was always sweet and pure, and who can measure the amount of encouraging support she lent the sorrow-stricken figure who followed her bier to her earthly home? As the Rev. T. G. Jenkyn, Salem, Llwynypia - the deceased's pastor for over a quarter of a century - fittingly remarked at the graveside, her whole life had been one of untiring support to her husband, and had it not been for the kindly encouragement she had given him in the stiffest hours of the fight, Mr. Tom John would not have soared so high in the public life of to-day.
Neither did she forget her duties to her Maker. For 30 years at Salem, and for the past few years at Ebenezer, Tonypandy, she aided by kindly word and unostentatious deed the great cause of the Master. Like other noble women of Gwyllt Walia, her respect for ministers of the Gospel was unbounded, and many a wearied Gentile Apostle found a true solace and fresh inspiration in this gentle Lydia.
A pathetic feature in connection with Mr. John's bereavement is the critical state of health of his only son - Dafydd - who for months past has been confined to his room with an affliction of the heart. His condition needs the most unremitting attention and nursing, and for this reason the service at the house on Wednesday was dispensed with. It is to be hoped that his health will soon improve, and that he will once more resume the career upon which he has lately embarked.
The funeral obsequies took place on Wednesday last at Llethrddu Cemetery, Trealaw, the Rev. E. Richards, Tonypandy (her pastor), officiated, assisted by the Revs. T. G. Jenkyn, Llwynypia; T. Williams, Clydach Vale; and W. Charles, M.A., Treorchy. The attendance was very large and representative, the teaching profession being very strongly represented. The coffin bore the simple inscription:-
Margaret John,
Died August 1st, 1907,
Age 51 Years.En route to the cemetery, the choir of Ebenezer, Tonypandy, under the leadership of Mr. W. T. David, rendered very feelingly several well-Known Welsh hymns, most of which were amongst the favourite literature of the deceased.
The ceremony at the graveside was brief but impressive. Touching tributes to the deceased's worth were paid by the Revs. T. U. Jenkyn and E. Richards. The former, speaking with a 25 years' acquaintanceship of Mrs. John, remarked that during that period all knew the history of Mr. Tom John, but very few were those who could speak with any degree of intimacy of the Christian character of the deceased. Although of a quiet, unassuming disposition, the support and encouragement which he (Mr. Jenkyn) had received at her hands on more than one occasion had been very helpful to him, as a minister of the Gospel and ministers of Christ needed such encouragement at times. She was a woman whose one great word was "Thorough." Her faith was thorough, firm as the rock, and sublime as the noonday sun. As a wife and mother she performed her duties with the same thoroughness of manner, and with the cause of the Master it was her one great watchword. They in Salem knew the true worth of the deceased lady. She subscribed generously, believing that the cause was really the cause of God. Her worth as wife and mother no one knew better than the bereaved husband and children, and had it not been for her support and inspiration Mr. Tom John would not have soared so high in public life.
The Rev. Evan Richards, Tonypandy, speaking under great emotion, also delivered himself in sentiments. The occasion, he said, was one of great sorrow, and their hearts went out in sympathy towards Mr. John and the sorrowing children and relatives gathered around. Mr. John was a national character, and in his affliction the heart of a nation had been touched. It was difficult to think of him under a cloud. He was always in the sunshine - he loved the sunshine - but to-day they saw him under the cloud of adversity. But across that dark bank the prismatic colours of the rainbow of the Greater Life had been painted by God's own fingers, conveying the comforting promise of a Peace and Calm beyond the Storm.
The Rev. W. Charles, M.A., Treorchy, read a portion of the Scriptures, and after a touching supplication by the Rev. Thomas Williams, Clydach Vale, all was over.
Among the mourners were:- Mr. Tom John (husband); Miss Maggie John (daughter); Miss Diana Lewis (sister); Mr. and Mrs. Fred Lewis, Penygraig (nephew and niece); Mr. and Mrs. Fred Lewis, M.E., Williamstown (nephew and niece); Mr. and Mrs. Tom Edgar Lewis, Tonypandy (nephew and niece); Mrs. Owen, Narberth (niece); Miss Catherine Harris, Aberdare (cousin); Mr. and Mrs. Davies, Aberdare (nephew and niece); Mr. David Davies, Aberdare (cousin): Mr. Isaac Harris, Aberdare (cousin); Mr. and Mrs. J. W. John, Ynyshir (brother- and sister-in-law); Miss John, Cymmer (sister-in-law) Mr. John Preece, Porth (brother-in-law) Mr. Evan Lewis, Swansea, (uncle); Mr. David Evans, Llandilo (cousin); Mr. and Mrs. Williams, Treorchy (cousins); Miss Lena Williams, Treorchy (niece); Mr. and Mrs. Scott, Pentre (cousins); Mrs. Davies, Crown Hotel, Pontypridd (cousin); Mr. and Mrs. Gwatkin, Llwynypia (nephew and niece); Mr. Dafydd Morgan, Blaenrhondda (uncle); Mr. Ashley, Treorchy (nephew). Mr. Dafydd John (son) was too indisposed to leave the house, and his sister Madeline remained at home in attendance upon him.
Among those present at the funeral we noticed the Revs. Wm. Williams (O.M.), Tonypandy; J. Walters (C.), Clydach Vale; J. Hope Evans (C.), Mardy; T. T. Jones (B.), Blaenclydach; W. S. Jones (B.), Llwynypia; T. Morris (C.), Clydach Vale; E. Dunmore Edwards, M.A. (prin- citial, Collegiate School, Pontypridd); J. Morgan (C.M.), Llwynypia; J. Nicholas (B.), Tonypandy; County Councillor Tom Jones, Treorchy; Mr. J. D. Williams, J.P., D.C. Mr. David Williams, D.C., Tonypandy; Mr. W. T. Jones, D.C., Treorchy Mr. W. P. Nicholas, solicitor, Trealaw; Dr. Idris Morgan, Llwynypia; Mr. W. D. Jones ("Rhondda Leader"); Mr. D. R. Jones, Tonypandy; Alderman Richard Lewis, Tonypandy; Mr. John Gilmour, Glamorgan Collieries; Mr. D. Jones, assistant overseer; Mr. D. Evans (Eos Dar); Mr. D. Evans (conductor, Tonypandy Harmonic Society); Mr. D. Lloyd, I.S.M., Tonypandy; Mr. Rees Davies, M.E., Aberdare; Mr. W. J. Evans, Aberdare; Mr. W. C. Prichard, Glamorgan Collieries; Major R. C. Dyke, Pentre; Mr. W. D. Morgan, architect, Pentre; Mr. Pennant, Pontycymmer; Mr. Geo. Evans, Tonypandy; Mr. Morris Morris, builder, Ferndale; Mr. W. T. David, Tonypandy; Mr. Tom Evans, M.E., Llwynypia; Mr. Dan Evans, M.E., Llwynypia.
The teaching profession was represented by the following:- Messrs. Rhys Nicholas, N.U.T., Cwmavon Evan Davies, N.U.T.; E. Samuel, M.A., Porth; H. Howells, Treorchv: Dr. R. D. Chalke, Porth; Isaac Owen James Nicholas, Aberavon; J. W. Jones, Tonypandy; - Lewis, Hen-goed; T. Arthur, Tonypandy; Dan Jones, Cymmer; and Miss Williams, L.L.A., Cardiff.
Letters of Condolence.
Over 300 letters of condolence were received. The Lord Bishop of St. David's wrote:-
"Dear Mr. John, - I saw with great regret an account of your great sorrow, and venture to write to express my most sincere sympathy with you in your great bereavement. I have the warmest esteem for you as an example of a sterling patriot, and I am sure you will have the widespread sympathy of all who value disinterested and indefatigable services. May I add that I value personally very much your personal kindness in the interview we had together on public affairs. I am very sorry to hear of your son's illness, and earnestly hope he will very soon be restored to health.
"Yn y dyfroedd dyfnion yr ydych ynddynt, nid oes genyf ond credu a gweddio y bydd i'r Meistr tyner yr ydych yn Ei wasanaethu eich diddanu a'ch nerthu yn ol Ei addewid. - Yr eiddoch yn gynes,
[In the deep waters you are in, I only have to believe and pray that the tender Master you serve will entertain you and rescue you in His promise. - The eagerly warm,]
"J. T. DAVIDS."
Mr. A. R. Pickles, president of the N.U.T., wrote:- "It is with sincere sorrow we hear of your irreparable loss. The release from the pain and suffering to enter into that higher life, where sadness and sorrow and pain are not met, leaves you full of heaviness and sorrow. So, my dear Tom John, we take your hand in very sincere sympathy. Pray that you may be given strength to bear that through the darkness you may be able to look up and onward to her who so long has cheered your way, and that you may be able to say to yourself that she is ever in spirit by your side. So may the long days and weary nights pass in faithful waiting and in abiding hope."
Prof. Anwyl, M.A., Aberystwyth:- "I have been deeply touched by the fortitude and tranquility with which you have trodden the path of public and private duty, while your spirit devotedly bore its load of constant care. It is my earnest hope, dear friend, that you will derive in the present trial some other spring of consolation."
Mr. Alfred T. Davies, Welsh secretary to the Board of Education:- "Words are but little purpose at a time like this, but when the heart is sad it is some consolation to learn that others have had you in their thoughts, and that they trust that you may be supported and comforted in the hour of your trial."
Mr. Allen Oroft, past ex-president of the N.U.T.:- "I am conscious of the futility of mere words in this sad moment, and can only hope that time the great healer will ultimately do something, if but a little, to assuage the poignancy of your grief."
Mr. Ernest Gray, M.A., Executive, N. U. T.:- "In days of domestic affliction, nothing but the strongest sense of duty would have kept you so long and so loyally devoted to public work. It is a sacrifice which I appreciate and admire."
Among others received were those written by the following:- The Rev. T. Theophilus, Tredegar; Mr. W. W. Hood, M.E., Llwynypia; Mr. T. P. Sykes, ex-president N.U.T.; Mr. T. W. David, Pendoylan, Cowbridge; Mr. A. Blenkinsop, F..LS. (Executive); Alderman Richard Lewis, Tonypandy; Alderman T. J. Hughes, Bridgend; Mr. J. H. Yoxall, M.P., Russell Square, London; Miss Hannah Williams, L.L.A., Cardiff; Mr. and Mrs. T. P. Jenkins, J.P., Tonypandy; Mr. T. Jones, H.M.I.S., Abergavenny; Mr. Harry Evans, F.R.C.O., Liverpool; Mr. Rhys Nicholas, Cwmavon; Mr and Mrs. Charles Morgan, B.A., Cardiff; Committee of the Aberporth Chair Eistedd- fod; County Councillor James Evans, Cambrian House, Clydach Vale; Mr. John Kees, H.M.I.S., Swansea; Mr. J. James, M.A., B.Sc., Ph.D., Chief Education Official, Glamorgan County Council; Mr. Augustus Lewis, Inspector of Factories; Mr. George Sharpies, ex-president N.U.T.; Mr. F. W. Pepperell, Cardiff Teachers' Associa- tion; Dr. W. Morris, F.R.G.S., Treorchy; Mr. J. Davies, hon. secretary Rhondda and Pontypridd Teachers' Association; Mid-Rhondda Male Voice Choir Rev. and Mrs. J. Grawys Jones, Aberdare; Mr. and Mrs. T. W. Berry, Director of Education, Rhondda; Mr. Geo. A. Hamilton, treasurer N.U.T.; Mr. Geo. Baddeley, execu- tive N.U.T. Mr. Thomas Griffiths (on behalf of Salem Congregational Choir); Mr. T. J. Williams, N.U.T., Bangor; Mr. Arthur R. Pickles, M.A. (Oxon.), B.A. (Lond.), president N.U.T.; Mr. T. G. Jones, Deputy Clerk Rhondda Urban Dis- trict Council; Mr. Phillip Thomas, Gnoll Street Schools, Neath (N.U. B. and 0. for Wales); Mr. Evan Davies, executive N.U.T., Wales; Salem Congregational Church, Llwynypia; Mr. W. A. Nicholls, vice-president N.U.T.; Tonypandy Har- monic Society; Sir Isambard and Lady Owen: Mabon; Mr. D. Davies, M.P., Llandinam; Mr. J. R. JoneSj Williams- town; Mr. T. G. Price, Merthyr; Mr. Dan Jenkins, Llangrwys, Llanwrda; Mrs. Salter Lloyd, Aberdare; Miss A. Griffiths, Bodringallt Schools; Mr. R. W. Jones, Pengam; Mr. W. H. Jeffreys, Russell Square, London; Mr. Alf. Evans, Llwynypia; Dr. Jenkins, Medical Officer of Health, Pentre; Councillor R. S. Griffiths, Clydach Vale; Mr. Dd. Bowen, Abercarn.
The funeral arrangements were admirably carried out by Messrs. J. Griffiths and Sons, undertakers, Tonypandy.
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- Date: 16 November 1907
- Page: Supplement - Page 1
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Citation:
Death of Mr. Dafydd John.
Promising Career Cut Short
Representative Funeral.
After a painful illness extending over seven months, Dafydd, the only son of Mr. Tom John, M.A., Llwynypia, passed away on Friday midnight. Always of a very delicate constitution, the condition of his heart had always given great concern to his parents and sisters. On two occasions he undertook a prolonged voyage in the Mediterranean Sea, and returned much benefited thereby. Of late, however, dropsy and other complications set in, and although his condition had been pronounced by the doctors as practically hopeless, he, nevertheless, kept up a stout heart and a cheerful disposition. In moments of ease, he would converse freely with his father about various matters, and although confined to his bed, he took a wonderful amount of interest in what was passing in the world outside.
Dafydd was educated at the Llwynypia School, and at the County School, Porth, where he was held in great esteem by the scholars and teachers. Two years ago, on returning from his last trip, he joined the staff of the "Rhondda Leader" as a junior reporter. Like every true Pressman, he was very attached to his paper, and was always proud to assist, however so little, in its fortunes. Like Mr. Micawber, he had "great expectations," and many times he remarked that he would be a great journalist, "not a mere reporter."
"Alas, the schemes of mice and men often go agley."
About a twelvemonth ago, he underwent an operation for a cleft palate, and although the operation was entirely successful, the effect was not all that could be desired.
He was a well-read youth, and his conversation was always sparkling and entertaining, and marked with bright flashes of quiet humour. In politics - he was a keen politician at an early age - he was a staunch Liberal, and a true son of his respected father. He was an ardent Non-conformist, and a keen Disestablisher - indeed, he would paint the evils of a State-aided religion with no light hand. He was also a great friend of the teaching profession, as was only to be expected, and almost his last appearance in public was at the last conference of the N.U.T., when Mr. and Mrs. John were presented with an address at Oxford. His mother, who was then lying seriously ill at home, failed to attend the proceedings, and the duties of responding on her behalf fell to Dafydd, which he did with the instinct of a born orator. At the end of April he was confined to the house, and with but rare intervals the hand of sickness was heavy upon him until his release came on Friday midnight, and he passed to the Unknown at the early age of 20 years.
The funeral on Tuesday was a very large and representative one, the teaching profession, in particular, being strongly represented. The coffin, which was of polished oak, bore the simple inscription
Dafydd John,
Died November 9th, 1907.
Age 20 Years.At the graveside a short service was held, when touching tributes to the character of deceased were paid by the Rev. E. Richards, Tonypandy; Rev. T. G. Jenkyn, Salem, Llwynypia; and Rev. Grawys Jones, Aberdare. The singing en route and at the graveside was conducted by Mr. W. T. David, Tonypandy.
The mourners included Mr. Tom John, M.A. (father); Misses Maggie and Matilda John (sisters); Miss Mary John (aunt); Mr and Mrs. J. W. John, Ynyshir (uncle and aunt); Mr. J. Preece, Porth, and Mr. D. Morgan, Blaenrhondda (uncles); Mr. and Mrs. Scott, Pentre (uncle and aunt); Miss Diana Lewis (aunt); Mr. and Mrs. Fred Lewis, Williamstown; Mr. and Mrs. Tom Lewis, Tonypandy, and Mr. and Mrs. Fred Lewis, Penygraig (cousins); Mrs. Davies and family, Treforest; Mrs. Davies, Treorchy; Mrs. Williams and Miss Lena Williams; Mr. Sidney Williams, Treorchy; Mrs. Gwatinn, Pentre; Mrs. Evans, Kenfig Hill; Mr. Jeffreys, Treherbert; Mr. Isaac Harris, Aberdare; Mr. and Mrs. D. Davies, Aberdare; Mrs. M. A. and Master Tom Davies, Aberdare.
Among those present we noticed the Revs. W. Charles, M.A., Treorchy; M. H. Ellis (C.M.), Trealaw; J. Morgan (O.M.), Llwynypia; J. Nicholas (B.); J. L. Roderick, B.A. (B.); W. Williams (C.M.), Tonypandy: S. G. Jones (C.), Trealaw; Alderman Rd. Lewis, J.P. Mr. D. W. Davies, C.C., Tonypandy; Mr. David Smith, J.P chairman of the Rhondda Urban District Council); Mr. R. S. Griffiths, D.C. Mr. D. C. Evans, D.C. Mr. D. Williams. D.C. Mr. James Evans, C.C., Oydach Yale; Dr. Idris Morgan; Dr. Llewellyn, Penygraig; Mr. T. Millward, solicitor, Pentre; Mr. D. Jones, overseer; Mr. W. D. Jones ("Leader") Mr. D. M. Williams, accountant; Mr. Dan Evans, M.E., Llwynypia; Mr. D. Thomas, Trealaw; Mr. Ben Davies, miners' agent, Pentre; Mr. N. Meredith, Llwynypia; Mr. Jacob Rees, Pentre; Mr. J. Kemp, Ynyshir; Mr. T. W. Berry, Director of Education; Mr. T. G. Jones, deputy-clerk, Rhondda Urban District Council. The teaching profession were represented by Mr. E. Samuel, M.A., Porth; Dr. R. D. Chalke, M.A., Porth; Messrs. Rhys Nicholas, Cwmavon; T. T. Jenkins, Pentrebach, Merthyr; R. J. Price, Merthyr; EI. C. Willmott, Cardiff; James Williams, Swansea; James Nicholas. Aberavon; Isaac Davies, Blaengwynfi; Edmund Davies, Cymmer; J. Ambrose, Penrhiwceiber; G. Lewis, Mardy; J. Evans, Ton; D. Phil- lips, Wattstown; LI. Jones, Pentre; S. Davies, Pontrhondda; David Davies, Pontygwaith; T. P. John, Trealaw; W. H. Owen, Treherbert; H. Harris, Tylorstown; J. W. Jones, Tonypandy: H. Howells, Treorchy; B. Gabe, Penyrenglyn; T. Morgan, Cwmparc Ll. Davies, Pentre. Clydach Vale School: Messrs. R. R. Williams, D. E. Griffiths, D. R. Rees, R. J. Whittington, Mrs. Price, Miss G. Lewis, Miss Jones and Miss Colville. Llwynypia School: Mr. and Mrs. Alf. Evans, Mr. J. Griffiths, Mr. R. Bowen, and Mr. J. D. Lewis.
Scores of letters expressing sympathy with the family in their second bereavement - it being only three months since Mrs. John was laid to rest - were received, among the number being those from the Right Hon. D. Lloyd George, M.P., Dr. T. J. Macnamara, M.P., Sir Isambard Owen, and Mr. J. H. Yoxall, M.P. The funeral arrangements were conducted by Messrs. J. Griffiths and Sons, undertakers, Tonypandy.
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- Date: 18 February 1911
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Pentre.
The death of Mrs. Scott, wife of Mr. H. Scott, painter and glazier, will be sincerely regretted by her numerous acquaintances. For a long time Mrs. Scott had suffered most patiently and hopefully, never being found pessimistic; but her relief from severe pain occurred on Tuesday afternoon, after one or two days of unusual brightness. To Mr. Scott and the children, as well as relatives, we desire to extend our sincerest sympathy.
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- Date: 25 February 1911
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The funeral of Mrs. Scott, Pentre, arranged for gentlemen, was largely attended on Saturday afternoon, in spite of the inclement weather. Local tradesmen were present in large numbers, paying their last tributes to one who had led a very quiet and unostentatious life for very many years in Pentre. Her readiness to assist in good causes and her kindness to neighbours were two outstanding virtues, to which Canon Lewis referred at the service at the house. At the service at Treorchy Cemetery, the Revs. - Griffiths and - Philipant assisted the rev. Canon, and the singing was conducted by Mr. David Jones (organist). There were twelve wreaths sent by the following friends and relatives - Mr. Scott and children; Mr. and Mrs. Williams, Merthyr; Mr. and Mrs. Scott, Great Western Hotel, Merthyr; Mrs. Parfitt and Mrs. Jones, Pontypridd; Mr. and Mrs. Ted Parfitt, Ton; Mr. and Mrs. Jones, Port Talbot; St. Peter's Church Choir; Mr. and Mrs. Davies, Llewellyn Hotel; Mr. and Mrs. Thomas, bookseller; Mr. W. J. Jones, surveyor; Miss Mary Cule, Pentre; and Miss Mary Thomas, Pentre. The carriages contained the following mourners :- First coach - Mr. Hy. Scott (husband), Mr. Albert Scott (son), Mr. W. H. Rees (son-in-law), Mr. Sidney Williams, Treorchy (nephew), and the Rev. Canon Lewis; second coach - Mr. Gomer Williams, Treorchy, Mr. Tom John, M.A., Tonypandy, Mr. Dd. Davies, Crown Inn, Treforest, Mr. J. Ashley, Treorchy, and Mr. J. John; third coach - Mr. G. Scott, Merthyr, Mr. C. Scott, Treorchy, Mr. J. Scott, Abercynon, Mr. W. Thomas, Hengoed, and Mr. G. Scott (junr.), Treorchy. The funeral arrangements were carried out by Mr. W. Thomas, undertaker, Ton.
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1891 United Kingdom Census
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1901 United Kingdom Census
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1911 United Kingdom Census
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findmypast.co.uk / Glamorgan Archives: Parish Registers - Glamorgan
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- Date: 9 May 1892
- Page: Baptism - Alfred Henry Scott (Ystradyfodwg)
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- Date: 9 February 1902
- Page: Baptism - Nesta Victoria Scott (Ystradyfodwg)
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- Date: 9 February 1902
- Page: Baptism - Elsie Olivia Scott (Ystradyfodwg)
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- Date: 24 April 1898
- Page: Baptism - Evelyn Maud Scott (Ystradyfodwg)
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- Date: 1 December 1886
- Page: Baptism - Florence Jeane Scott (Ystradyfodwg)
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- Date: 1 December 1886
- Page: Baptism - Gertrude Mabel Scott (Ystradyfodwg)
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- Date: 19 July 1894
- Page: Baptism - Gladys May Scott (Ystradyfodwg)
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- Date: 6 September 1890
- Page: Baptism - Lilian Scott (Ystradyfodwg)
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- Date: 20 September 1896
- Page: Baptism - Meta Margaretta Scott (Ystradyfodwg)
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- Date: 3 June 1884
- Page: Baptism - Robert John Scott (Ystradyfodwg)
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- Date: 23 August 1910
- Page: Marriage - William Henry Rees / Florence Jane Scott (Ystradyfodwg)
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Merthyr Express
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- Date: 13 January 1894
- Page: Page 8
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Death of an Old Aberdarian.
A WELL-KNOWN MUSICIAN.
We deeply regret to announce the death of Mr. David John, of Harriet-street, Trecynon, which took place on Friday morning. Deceased was one of the pioneers of music in the Aberdare Valley, and had done much to popularise the art of music ere most of present generation were born. A native of Cardiganshire, after a short residence at Merthyr, he removed to Aberdare in September, 1849. Being a Congregationalist, he at once identified himself with Ebenezer Congregational Chapel, where the late Rev. W. Edwards, then a young man, was pastor. Mr. John at once took active steps to promote the musical organisation in the church, and was successful in forming an excellent choir there, of which he himself was the leader. In this connection it may be interesting to add that that choir in 1862 performed almost all the choral music in Handel's "Messiah". The choir also performed most of the music of "Judas Maccabæus," followed by Mozart's "Twelfth Mass," when the choir was accompanied in the orchestration by Caradog's String Band, who were then appearing in Wales as the pioneers of orchestral music in the Principality. In some of the other concerts given about that time by Mr. John's choir they were accompanied by Mr. Lawrence, then organist of St. David's, Merthyr, the only capable accompanist in that time probably in the whole district. The deceased had also a great leaning towards glees, most of Bishop's and Mendelssohn's being learnt by his choir, as well as a large number of Owen Alaw's, Tanymarian's, and other Welsh composer's anthems. Mr. John also figured at one time prominently as a musical conductor in competitive meetings at the various eisteddfodau in the district, although this was only a secondary part of his musical programme. When the Welsh Choir went to London to compete at the Crystal Palace in 1871 and 1872, Caradog and his choir found no more ardent supporter throughout the whole of Wales than the deceased. During all these years he also acted as singing conductor at Ebenezer Church, a position which he only resigned a few years ago. It migh tbe here interesting to add that the Ebenezer Choir is still one of the, if not the best, choirs from a single congregation in the district, and that it purposes to give next week a performance of "Judas Maccabæus" with full orchestration in the Temperance Hall. Mr. John, since his resignation of the office of conductor, took a great interest in the work of the choir, and only a few weeks ago expressed the hope that he might live to see an orchestra introduced into the choir for use at the services on Sundays. He was present on Christmas Day at the performanec of "Elijah" at the Temperance Hall. He has twice been the recipient of handsome testimonials, presented him by the church and musical friends. It is also a remarkable fact that in addition to being himself a musical educator, the whole of his children are elementary teachers, viz. Mr. Tom John, of Llwynypia, the well-known educationalist, a member of the council of the N.U.T., and the editor of the Glamorgan Free Press; Mr. John W. John, of the Ynyshir Board School; Miss John, of the Cymmer Board School; and Miss Margaret John, of the Bodringallt Board School.
On Tuesday, at 2 30 p.m., the funeral took place, and was attended by a very large and representative gathering. The deceased's body, placed in a polished Welsh oak coffin, with massive brass panel mountings, the breast place bearing the following inscription: "David John, died January 5th, 1894, aged 71 years," and covered with magnificent wreaths, was borne to the chapel, his deacons at Ebenezer acting as bearers. The coffin was followed by the following mourners :- Mrs. David John (widow), Mr. and Mrs. Tom John, Llwynypia; Mr. and Mrs. J. W. John, Ynyshir; Miss Mary John, Cymmer; Miss Margaret John, Bodringallt; Mr. and Mrs. Davies, Dowlais; Mr. Evan Lewis, Swansea; Mrs. Lewis, Walters-road, Swansea; Mr. John Jones, Llwynypia, Mr. Scott, Rhondda; Mrs. Thomas, Pontypridd; Miss Roberts, Dowlais, and Mrs. Morgan, Merthyr. Among the ministers and leading laymen present we noticed the Revs. J. Grawys, Cymdare; W. S. Davies, Llwydcoed; J. D. Rees, Salem; J. Sulawyn Davies, Siloh; J. Davies, Soar; W. Harries (B), Mill-street; H. T. Stephens (C.M.), Bryn Seion, Aberdare; G. Griffiths (Penar), Pentru Estyll; T. Edmunds, Hirwain; D. Thomas, Cymmer; W. J. Morris, Pontypridd; E. C. Davies, Ynyshir; T. G. Jenkyn, Llwynypia; D. H. Wigley, Brecon; Messrs. Alderman Thomas Williams, J.P., Merthyr; Gomer Jones, B.A., Merthyr; S. Hopkins, Ysguborwen; Rees Evans, Aberdare; Dl Griffiths, Aberdare; W. Charles and Owen Harries, Trecynon; John Rees, Tyrheol; John Morgan, Clive House; R. Wigley, D. Lewis Edmunds, Morgan Williams, Jacob Treharne (Tiberog), M. O. Jones, Treherbert; W. Jeffreys, Treherbert; Wm. Clarke, Higher Grade School, Pentre; D Evans, Treorky; J. Evans, Havod; Uriel Edwards, Ystrad; J. W. Jones, Penygraig; D. S. Thomas, Bazaar, Pentre; Rees Davies, Abernant; T. Thomas, Tynywern, &c. At the chapel the Rev. D. Griffiths, Cwmdare, read and prayed.
The Rev. J. Grawys Jones then said that letters of apology and regret for their inability to be present had been received from Mr. John Rees, H.M. Inspector of schools, Swansea; Mr. Griffiths R. Jones, Cardiff; and others. He then feelingly referred to the long connection of the deceased with that church. He had been a model deacon for over 33 years, and longer still the leader of the congregational singing.
The Rev. W. J. MORRIS, Pontypridd, said he could say a good deal of the deceased. It was 45 years last September that he (the speaker) came to live under Mr. John's roof, and he lived in the house for over four years, and no one knew a man better than an inmate of his own household. It was there a man generally showed his real character. They said of old Edwards, Groeswen, that he was a builder for both worlds, and he might say of the deceased that he was a worker for both worlds. He would not attempt to say how much he was indebted to the deceased for the help he had given him for the four years he had been under his roof. He looked back with great pleasure to that time. The deceased was a born leader, but had no wind or conceit in him. He did not know whether he left much property to his children, but he was sure he could tell them on his death-bed that there was not a dirty shilling among them. He (the speaker) appealed to the children of the deceased, and those whom he might call his musical children, to carry on the old banner, and not let it touch the ground. Let them carry it unsoiled as the deacon had.
The choir then sang the anthem, "Dyddiau dyn sydd fel gaswelltyn," very effectively.
Rev. T. G. Jenkyn, Llwynypia, said he knew little of Mr. John in the house except from the influence he left on some of his children whom he knew, but he thought that was a good criterion to judge a man by. He did not let his temporary work hinder him from his spiritual duties. They had met to bury a good man - one who had lived so that death had no terror.
Mr. M. O. JONES, Treherbert, said he found it very hard at times to speak in a funeral, but it was easy there. He had enough to say of the deceased. His paths had been strewn with the flowers of virtue. He knew deceased 30 years ago, and had found in him a friend, always ready to render a helping hand to any religious cause. He would never forget an occasion upon which the Ebenezer Choir, led by the deceased, came over the mountain to Carmel, Treherbert, when that church was in its infancy, to give a concert in its aid, walking back over the mountain the same night. He always looked upon the deceased as a model leader, who had left behind him a name unstained.
Rev. D. THOMAS, Cymmer, also spoke of his long and familiar aquaintance with deceased.
After a hymn had been sung, the procession reformed for the cemetery, where the Rev. Griffith Griffiths (Penar), Pentre Estyll, spoke a few words. Deceased was so full of music that he believed that one of the first characters in the celestial region whom he would look out for would be David and his harp, and the next would be the late Ambrose Lloyd, the composer of the hymn-book he had used so long.
The Rev. J. DAVIES, Zoar, then effectively prayed and the choir having again sung, the vast crowd slowly turned their backs upon all that was mortal of one to whom the words of the Saviour were especially applicable, "Behold an Israelite indeed in whom there is no guile."
The funeral arrangements were enstrusted to Mr. W. T. Harries, of Mill-street, and were admirably carried out.
We append a list of those who placed wreaths upon the coffin :- Mrs. David John, four children of the deceased, Ebenezer Choir, Mrs. Evans, Brynbach, Brynaman; Major Sloper, J.P., Cardiff; Mrs. J. W. Jones, Park lane, Mr. and Mrs. J. M. Evans, solicitor, Swansea; Mr. and Mrs. Chalke, Pentre; the teachers of the Bodringallt Schools; Mr. David John, Cardiff; Mr. J. Preece, Porth.
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- Date: 29 January 1910
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Aberdare Cymrodorion Society.
WHAT WE OWE TO THE MONKS.The fortnightly meeting of the Aberdare Cymrodorion Society was held on Friday evening at the Higher Standard School, Gadlys, Mr. D. M. Richards (Myfyr Dar) in the chair.
Mr. T. Williams, Park Inspector, read a ten minutes' paper on "The Late Mr. David John, shoemaker, Trecynon," for many years the singing conductor at Ebenezer Congregational Church, Mill-street. Mr. John was born at Kilgerran (Pembrokeshire) in 1823. He removed with his parents when young to Merthyr, and in 1849 to Aberdare. The reader delineated his character since advent to Aberdare as a choir master and a conductor, and pointed out that he led his choir to victory three times at one Eisteddfod. An alleged gross act of injustice on the part of an Eisteddfod adjudicator, however, so disgusted him that he never afterwards competed at an Eisteddfod. Mr. Williams then gave a graphic picture of him as a singing conductor at Ebenezer, and especially his power of bringing out the spiritual meaning of the hymn and the tune in congregational singing. His devotional spirit was also dealt with, and a reference made to the fact that Mr. Tom John. M.A., of Llwynypia, ex-president of the National Union of Teachers, was his son. Mr. John was buried on January 9th, 1894.
The Rev. C. A. H. Green, M.A., Vicar of Aberdare, then delivered a very interesting address on "The Monks." He by drawing out very clearly the difference between the hermits and the monks. The hermits, he said, dwelt apart in solitude, while the monks dwelt, together under the rules of their respective orders. After a reference to various theories as to the origin of monasticism in the Christian Church, he said it arose out of the natural aspirations of the human heart for a closer walk with God. It was Christ Himself who nurtured the seed in urging the disciples to seek for perfection, and His example, without family, without home, led others to follow and seek for Christian perfection in that direction. The hermits existed during the early Christian persecution, but the monks arose later in the third century. The father of the monks, though not himsslf a monk, was St. Anthony, of whom the Vicar drew a graphic picture, although he pointed out that his pulpit rather than his cell was the centre of attraction in his case. He then traced the growth of monasticism in the Eastern Church, and its introduction into Great Britain, coming here as Christianity did in various waves. He also dealt with the difference between the Norman monasteries and the old Celtic ones, pointing out the result of this on tha monastic life in the Principality. The Normans introduced into Wales the Benedictine, their rule being based on silence, humility, and obedience. They arose at midnight for devotion, and then spent the remainder of the night in prayer and study, again greeting the dawn with a service of devotion to Almighty God. They ate very little meat, confining themselves almost entirely to vegetables, eggs, and fish. At six in the evening, the labour of the day being over, they retired to sleep. They had no monastery in the Diocese of Llandaff, but had one for women at Usk, and many small cells and chapels dependent on foreign monasteries. Other orders in Wales were described as the Cluniae Monks, the Cistercians, the Dominicans, the Franciscans, the Carmelites, and other orders. The monks were the great preachers and teachers of the Middle Ages. Mr. Green dealt also with some causes of their failure, and the indebtedness of Wales to monasticism in keeping alive its literature.
At the close of the address, the Chairman expressed a hope that on a future occasion the Vicar might be induced to give another address dealing specially with the aspect referred to by him in his closing sentence of the indebtedness of Wales to the monks. Mr. J. Griffiths, Park School, referred to some of the traces of monasteries, and the roads the monks passed over in that district. Rev. J. R. Dewi Williams, the vice-president of the Cymrodorion Society, also spoke of recent visits he had paid with the Cardiganshire Antiquarian Society to Stata Florida and Talley Abbey, and the part these institutions took in the history of the Principality. Our danger, he said, was to judge monasticism by what it had become at the time of the Protestant Reformation. The monasteries were not merely religious houses; they were also, in a sense, cities of refuge. Here, too, the poor and the needy ever found succour and help. It was said that at Llantwit Major 100 priests, 100 soldiers, 100 workmen, 100 travellers, and 100 widows were fed daily. Mr. George Powell, Mr. David Davies, Mr. John Davies, Mr. David Richards, and Mr, W. E. Thomas also spoke. Thanks were accorded to both speakers.
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South Wales Daily News
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- Date: 10 January 1894
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FUNERAL OF AN ABERDARE MUSICIAN.
On Tuesday the funeral of Mr David John, Harriet-street, Trecynon, Aberdare, took place at Aberdare Cemetery. The funeral, which was an exceedingly large one, left the house at 2.30 for Ebenezer Church, where the deceased, who was a native of Cardiganshire, was a member since he came to Aberdare in 1849. Owing to the great interest taken by Mr John in musical matters at Aberdare since he first resided here, the funeral was a very representative one, being attended by ministers and leading members of churches from all parts of Glamorgan. On the arrival of the body at the chapel, where deceased had been for so many yaers deacon and singing conductor, the organist played the "Dead March" in Saul. The Rev. D. Griffiths, Cwmdare, read and prayed, and his pastor, the Rev. J. Grawys Jones, feelingly spoke and read letters of apology which had been received from Mr John Rees, H.M. Inspector of Schools, Swansea; Mr Griffith Jones (Caradog), and others. The Rev. W. I. Morris, Pontypridd; Rev. T. J. Jenkyn, Llwynypia; Mr M. O. Jones, Treherbert; and the Rev. David Thomas, Cymmer, followed, all bearing high tribute to the sterling Christian character of the deceased. The procession was then re-formed, and the choir sang all the way from the chapel to the cemetery. At the grave the Rev. G. Griffiths, Pennar, Swansea, spoke, and the Rev. J. Davies, Soar, prayed. The mourners were Mr and Mrs Tom John, Llwynypia; Mr and Mrs J. W. John, Ynyshir; Miss Mary John, Cymmer; and Miss Margaret John, Bodringallt (sons, daughters, and daughters-in-law of the deceased); Mr and Mrs Davies, Dowlais; Mr Evan Lewis, Swansea; Mrs Lewis, Walter-road, Swansea; Mr John Jones, Llwynypia; Mr Scott, Rhondda; Mrs Thomas, Pontypridd; Miss Roberts, Dowlais, and Mrs Morgans, Merthyr. A number of magnificent wreaths were laid on the coffin. Mr D. Harris, Trecynon, was the undertaker. The coffin was made of solid oak, with massive brass mountings.
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UK Government: National Probate Calendar
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- Date: 17 June 1931
- Page: Henry Dodd Scott
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SCOTT Henry Dodd of 79 Llewellyn-street Pentre Glamorganshire died 29 April 1931 Probate London 17 June to Albert Henry Scott painter and Gertrude Mabel Scott spinster.
Effects £1051 3s. 11d.
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- General Register Office: England & Wales Death Index
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Burial Register - Treorchy Cemetery
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- Date: 30 April 1931
- Page: Henry Dodd Scott
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- Date: 15 February 1911
- Page: Burial - Jane Scott
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- Date: 2 June 1897
- Page: Meta Margaretta Scott
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- Date: 25 November 1890
- Page: Robert John Scott
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1921 United Kingdom Census
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- Page: RG15/26702/147
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Tarian Y Gweithiwr
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- Date: 18 January 1894
- Page: Page 3
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CLADDEDIGAETH MR. DAVID JOHN
ARWEINYDD Y CANU YN EBENEZER, ABERDAR, AM YN AGOS I BUM MLYNEDD A DEUGAIN.
Ymddangosodd hanes ei farwolaeth yn rhifyn diweddaf o'r DARIAN. Hawdd iawn ydoedd casglu nad dyn cyffredin oedd yn cael ei gladdu o Harriet Street, Trecynon, prydnawn dydd Mawrth, y 9fed o Ionawr. Canys gwelid y blinds i lawr ar y ffenestri, a gwelid y tyrfaoedd yn dod o wahanol gyfeiriadau. Yr oedd yr angladd i godi am haner awr wedi dau o'r gloch; yn y ty cyn cychwyn, darllenwyd a gweddiwyd yn ddwys gan ei weinidog, y Parch. J. Grawys Jones. Yr oedd yn drefn i fyned i Ebenezer i gynal gwasanaeth crefyddol cyn myned i Gladdfa Gyhoeddus Aberdar.
Gyda chychwyn, ymffurfiwyd yn orymdaith. Yn blaenori yr oedd gweinidogion, lleygwyr, a boneddigion ereill, yn dilyn ac o flaen y corff yr oedd y cantorion yn gor cryf a lluosog. Caoasant emynau o brogram paratoedig ar gyfer yr amgylchiad. Ar ol cyraedd yr Addoldy, tra yr oedd y dorf yn cymeryd eu lleoedd, a'r corff yn cael ei ddwyn i fewn, chwareuwydd yr Alar don ar yr offeryn, gan Mr. T. Lewis, chwareuydd y capel. Yr oodd y cantorion i gyd yn llenwi yr oriel, ac o dan arweiniad Mr W. F. Thomas, arweinydd corawl y lle. Dechreuwyd y gwasanaeth trwy ddarllen a gweddio gan y Parch. D. Griffiths, Cwmdar.
Yna siaradodd Mr Jones, y gweinidog ychydig eiriau. Dywedodd fod y dydd hwnw yn ddiwrnod tywyll iddynt hwy fel eglwys, eu bod yu claddu un oedd wedi bod yn gymeriad amlwg iawn yn yr eglwys am lawer iawn o flynyddoedd. Eu bod wedi bod yn gobeithio y cawsai y brawd David John fyw am ychydig flynyddoedd i ddyfod, er iddynt gael cynal ei Jiwbili ar ei ddyfodiad i'r lle, ond mai nid dyna oedd ewyllys yr Arglwydd. Ond er fod y diwrnod yn dywyll iddynt, fod i'r cwmwl ei ochr oleu. Dywedai pe cawsai Mr John fyw ychydig fisoedd, y buasai wedi bod yno am bum' mlynedd a deugain, ac wedi bod trwy yr holl gyfnod hirfaith yn arweinydd y gan, a'i fod felly hyd ef farwolaeth.
Yr oedd wedi bod yn llenwi y swydd o ddiacon am lawer o flynyddoedd. Dywedai fod yn yr eglwys ddynion rhagorol yn y blynyddoedd hyn, ond fod Mr John, yn herwydd ei safle fel arweinydd, wedi bod y cymeriad mwyaf amlwg yn yr eglwys. Yr oedd wedi derbyn llythyrau oddiwrth amryw hen gyfeillion ddymunasent fod yn yr angladd, ond nad oedd yn bosibl iddynt. Enwodd Mr J. Hees, Inspector of Schools, Abertawe; a Caradog. Gan fod yno amryw frodyr a chyfeillion i Mr John - rai a i hadwaenent yn dda, ei fod yn myned i alw arnynt hwy i siarad, gan ei fod yntau yn bwriadu pregetbu pregeth angladdol iddo y Sul dilynol.
Galwodd ar y Parch W. Morris, Pontypridd. Dywedai Mr Morris y galiasai ddweyd llawer iawn am ragoriaethau Mr John, fod yr amser yn fyr iddo gael. Na wyddai yn iawn pa beth i'w ddywedyd. Daethai i aros i'r lle hwn pan nad oedd ond llanc ieuanc dwy ar bymtheg ar hugain oed. Ymaelododdyn eglwys Ebenezer, a bu yn aros o dan gronglwyd Mr John am yn agos i bedair blynedd. Gwyddai yn dda am ei weitbgarweh a'i ffyddlondeb yn yr eglwys; ond cael cyfleusdra i'w adnabod yn ei dy ei hun oedd y fantais oreu er ei adnabod yn iawn. A pha mor ddysglaer bynag oedd yn ei ragoriaethau a'i rinweddau yn yr eglwys. yr oedd yn llawn mor ddysglaer ei gymeriad fel dyn didwyll, gonest, a phur, ac fel penteulu duwiol yn ei cy ei hun. Wrth lafurio yn dda ar gyfer y byd arall, nid oedd yn esgeuluso hwn, ond gwnelai y goreu o'r ddau, Nis gallasai ddywedyd pa mor ddyl edus oedd i Mr David John.
Galwyd yn nesaf ar y Parch T. J. Jenkyn, Llwynpia. Sylwai fod ei frawd wedi son am Mr John yn ei gartref, yn herwydd ei gysylitiad â rbai o deuiu Mr John - mai fel dyn oddicartref yr oedd af wedi dod i gyffyrddiad ag ef, a'i adnabod yn dda. A pba mor ddysglaer bynag oedd yn ei gartref, ac yn ei gylchoedd cartref, er ei fod wedi codi te[u]lu oedd yn anrhydedd i'w cael. &c.
Mr. M. O. Jones, Treberbert, a ddywedai ei fod yn teimlo yn anbawdd i siarad. Ei fod nos Sul diweddaf yn nghapel King's Cross, Llundain, yn gwrandaw ar Dr. Owen Evans yn traddodi pregeth angladdol ar ol diacon o'r eglwys - teulu mewn galar, eglwys mewn galar. Ei fod yn meddwl ar y pryd mor anhawdd oedd pregethu; ei fod yntau yn teimlo yn anhawdd i siarad ar yr amgylchiad. Yr oedd yn adnabod Mr. John er ys deng mlynedd ar hugain. Iddo y pryd hwnw gael rhagarweiniad i gymeriad y dyn. Yr oeddent yn cychwyn eglwys ieuanc yn Nhreherbert, ac eisieu cymorth arnynt. Gofynodd i Mr. David John roddi cynorthwy iddynt, a gwnaeth hyny. Daeth ei gor o Ebenezer, gan gerdded yr holl ffordd yn groes i'r mynydd yn ol a blaen, er cynal cyngerdd i'w cynorthwyo. Gofynai pwy oedd yn b’arod i wneud peth tebyg yn awr. Ei fod wedi bod yn edrych ar Mr. John fel motto i fod yn debyg iddo fel arweinydd. Ei fod yn teimlo yn alarus iawn wrth feddwl ei fod wedi ymadael, ond er ei fod wedi ymadael, ei fod yn teimlo fod ei ddylanwad yn aros, a'i fod yno yn y canu ragorol y dydd hwnw.
Y Parch. D. Thomas, Cymer, a dffywedodd ychydig eiriau am ei adnabyddiaeth o'r dyn rhagorol, a'i ddefnyddioldeb a'i wasanaeth, ac a ddilynodd trwy weddi.
Sylwasom fod yno amryw gerddorion yn y capel. Gwelsom Mri. Rees Evans, a Dan Griffiths, Aberdar; Mr. Hywel Cynon, Aberaman; Alaw Brycheiniog, Cefn; a Mr. Richard Morris, Hirwann. Gallasai fod yno ereill na welsom. Ymffurfiwyd yn orymdalth i fyned tua'r gladdfa Gwelsom yn blaenori yr orymdaith y Parchn. Morris, Pontypridd; Thomas, Cymer; Griffiths, Cwmdar; Grawys Jones; Davies, Llwydcoed; Rees, Salem; Penar, Pentre Estyll; Silyn Evans, a Davies, Soar, Aberdar; Edmunds, Hirwaun; Jenkyn, Llwynpia; Davies, Ynyshir; Sulgwyn Davies, Siloh; Morgan (M.C.), Bryn Seion; Harris (B.), Heolyfelin; Mri. Thos. Williams, Gwaelodygarth; Thomas, Tynywern; Jeffreys, Treherbert; J. Rees, Aberaman; M. O. Jones, Treherbert; Hywel Cyoon, Aberaman; G. George, Aberdar.
Canodd y cor, ffurfiedig o'r gwahanol gapelau, y tonau canlynol yn y capel, ar y ffordd, ac wrth y bedd, - Pen ftebo, Nantgau, Burford, Abergele, Dymuniad, Eifionydd, St. Luke, Henryd, Talybont, Lausanne, Rhuddlan, a chanwyd hefyd yr anthem, "Dyddiau dyn" yn ystod y gwasanaeth yn y capel. Sylwai rhai o'r cerddorion oedd yno nad yn ami y clywyd y fath garu rhagorol.
Siaradwyd wrth y bedd gan y Parch G. Griffiths (Penar), Pentre Estyll, a gweddiwyd gan y Parch. J. Davies, Soar; ac wedi canu emyn gan y cor, ymadawsom a'r fangre gysegredig, lle y gorphwys gweddillion gwr a wasanaethodd ei Dduw a'i oes mor ffyddlon a neb o'i gydoeswyr yn y byd. Gadawodd weddw i ala u ar ei ol, dwy ferch, a dau o feibion. Y mae pob un o honynt yn llenwi cylchoedd o anrhydedd mewn cymdeitbas - y merched yn ysgolfeistresi, a'r meibion yn ysgolfeistri, un o honynt yn bur adnabyddus fel arweinydd, cerddor, golygydd, a beirniad, Mr. Tom John, Llwynpia. Boed nodded yr Arglwydd dros y weddw hyd ei bedd, a'i fendith ar y plant a'i hiliogaeth hyd byth.
-- CYMYDOG.
Translation:
BURIAL OF MR. DAVID JOHN
SINGING LEADER AT EBENEZER, ABERDARE, FOR NEARLY FORTY YEARS
The story of his death appeared in the last edition of the TARIAN. It was very easy to see that it was no common man of Harriet Street, Trecynon, who was buried on Tuesday, January 9th. For the blinds were seen down on the windows, and the crowds were seen coming from all directions. The funeral began at half past two; in the house beforehand, the minister, the Rev. J. Grawys Jones, read and prayed intensely. They then went to Ebenezer to hold a religious service before the burial at the Aberdare Public Cemetery.
Initially, a parade was formed. At the front came the ministers, lawyers, and other gentrymen, following behind and in front of the coffin were a great crowd of singers in strong voice. They sang hymns from a specially prepared programme. After arriving at the sanctuary, while the crowd took their places, and the body was brought in, the Alardon quarry choir sang, led by Mr. T. Lewis, chapel quarryman. All the singers filled the gallery, under the leadership of Mr W. F. Thomas, the choral leader of the place. The service was started by the Rev. D. Griffiths, Cwmdar reading and praying.
The minister, Mr Jones, then spoke a few words. He said that this day was a dark day for them as a church, as they buried one who had been a very prominent character in the church for many years. They had been hoping that the brother David John would have lived for a few more years to come, so they could celebrate his Jubilee of his arrival to the place, but that was not the will of the Lord. But even though the day was dark for them, the cloud would have a silver lining. He said that if Mr John had lived a few months longer, he would have been there for forty years and had been for a long period of time as leader of song, which he was until he died.
He had held the post of Deacon for many years. He said that the church had had many excellent men in these years, but that Mr John, because of his position as leader, had been the most prominent character in the church. He had received letters from various old friends who would have liked to have been at the funeral, but could not attend. Mr J. Hees, Inspector of Schools, Swansea; and Caradog[1]. He was going to call brothers and friends of Mr John - those who had known him well - to speak now and himself intended to preach a full eulogy to him on Sunday.
He called on Rev. W. Morris, Pontypridd. Mr Morris said that he could say a great deal about Mr John's merits, but that time was too short and he did not know what to say. He came to the chapel when he was only twenty-five years old. He joined Ebenezer church, and stayed there under Mr John’s leadership for about four years. He knew well about his dedication and his faithfulness in the church; but having the opportunity to identify it in your own was the advantage of it to know it properly. And how deeply it was his excellency and his merits in the church. His character was so full of discernment as a sincere, honest man, and a man, and as a godly family in its own right. When working well for the rest of the world, he did not neglect this, but he would do the best of both, could not tell how Mr David John was.
The Rev. T. J. Jenkyn, Llwynypia, was called next. His brother had mentioned Mr John at home having known Mr John's family. He had been totally at home in their house and consequently knew them very well. And he was a very busy lad who was at his home, and in his home circles, although he had raised a family that was honored to have. & c.
Mr. M. O. Jones, Treberbert, said he felt inclined to speak. Last Sunday night in King's Cross chapel, London, he heard Dr. Owen Evans[2] deliver a funeral sermon after a deacon of the church - a family in grief, a church in grief. He thought at the time how difficult it was to preach; that he, too, found it difficult to speak on the circumstance. He had known Mr. John for thirty years. He then had an introduction to the character of the man. They started a young church in Treherbert, and sought help. He asked Mr. David John helped them, and he did. His choir came from Ebenezer, walking all the way across the mountain to and fro, to hold a concert to assist them. He asked who was ready to do a similar thing now. That he had looked up to Mr. John as an example, wishing to be a leader like him. That he felt very sad at the thought that he had left, but that although he had left, he felt that his influence was staying, and that he was there in the excellent singing that day.
The Rev. D. Thomas, Cymer, and said a few words about his knowledge of the great man, his usefulness and his service, and followed with prayer.
We noticed that there were several musicians in the chapel. We saw Mr. Rees Evans, and Dan Griffiths, Aberdare; Mr. Hywel Cynon, Aberaman; Alaw Brecknock, Cefn; and Mr. Richard Morris, Hirwann. There could have been others we didn't see. We formed a procession to go to the burial ground. We saw the procession was led by the Revs. Morris, Pontypridd; Thomas, Cymer; Griffiths, Cwmdar; Grawys Jones; Davies, Llwydcoed; Rees, Salem; Penar, Pentre Estyll; Silyn Evans, and Davies, Soar, Aberdare; Edmunds, Hirwaun; Jenkyn, Llwynpia; Davies, Ynyshir; Sulgwyn Davies, Siloh; Morgan (M.C.), Bryn Zion; Harris (B.), Heolyfelin; Messrs. Thos. Williams, Gwaelodygarth; Thomas, Tynywern; Jeffreys, Treherbert; J. Rees, Aberaman; M. O. Jones, Treherbert; Hywel Cyoon, Aberaman; G. George, Aberdare.
The choir, composed of the various chapels, sang the following tunes in the chapel, on the road, and at the grave, - Pen ftebo, Nantgau, Burford, Abergele, Dymuniad, Eifionydd, St. Luke, Henryd, Talybont, Lausanne, Rhuddlan, and also sung the anthem "Dyddiau dyn" ["Man's Days"] was during the chapel service. Some of the musicians present noticed that such outstanding singing was rarely heard.
The Rev. G. Griffiths (Penar), Pentre Estyll, spoke at the grave, and the Rev. J. Davies, Soar, prayed; and having sung a hymn from the heart, we left the sacred place, where the remains of a man who served his God as faithfully as any of his contemporaries in the world. He left a widow behind him, two daughters, and two sons. All of them fill circles of honor in society - the girls being schoolmistresses, and the sons being schoolmasters, one of them quite well known as a conductor, musician, editor, and adjudicator, Mr. Tom John, Llwynpia. May the Lord give protection over the widow to her grave, and bless the children and her offspring for ever.
-- A NEIGHBOUR.
[1] Caradog - conductor of the Côr Mawr, of which several members of the John Family were members: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffith_Rhys_Jones
[2] Rev Dr Owen Evans - a well-known figure in the Welsh chapels: https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3714206/3714214/56/evans
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- Date: 15 August 1907
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Claddedigaeth Mrs. Tom John.
Daearwyd yr hyn oedd farwol o Mrs Margaret John, Ceinfan, Tonypandy, anwyl briod Mr Tom John, M.A, yn mynwent Llethrddu prydnawn dydd Mercher diweddaf. Yr oedd tyrfa fawr yn y gynhebrwng, yn cynwys cynrychiolaeth gref o Undeb Cenedlaethoi Cyfranwyr Addysg. Derbyniodd Mr John dros 300 o lythyrau yn datgan cydymdeimlad ag ef, a hyny oddiwrth ddynion yn cynrychioli pob gwedd a sefyllfa ar gymdeithas. Gwasanaethwyd ar yr achlysur gan y Parchn E Richards, Tonypandy; T Williams, Clydach Vale; W Charles, M A, Treorci; a T G Jenkyns. Salem, Llwynypia. Ar y ffordd i'r gladdfa canodd Cor Ebenezer amryw o donau cynulleidfaol adnabyddus.
Burial of Mrs. Tom John.
The mortal remains of Mrs Margaret John, Ceinfan, Tonypandy, the beloved husband of Mr Tom John, M.A, were buried at Llethrddu Cemetery last Wednesday afternoon. A large crowd attended the ceremony, including strong representation from the National Union of Teachers. Mr John received over 300 letters expressing condolences, from men representing every facet of society. The service was conducted by the Revs. E Richards, Tonypandy; T Williams, Clydach Vale; W Charles, M A, Treorchy; and T G Jenkyns. Salem, Llwynypia. On the way to the burial ground the Ebenezer choir sang several well-known congregational tunes.
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Burial Register - Aberdare Cemetery
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Thomas Preece: Gravestone photographs
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- Date: 17 July 2018
- Page: David & Sarah John, Aberdare Cemetery
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- Date: 22 June 2018
- Page: Mary Adelina John et al, Trealaw Cemetery
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- Date: 22 October 2021
- Page: Henry & Jane Scott, Treorchy Cemetery
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I wasn't able to positively identify this grave, as the stone has fallen with the inscribed side downwards and is thus unreadable. I located the plot from the diagram, and also looked at the surrounding stones to check that I hadn't miscounted.
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Merthyr Times and Dowlais Times and Aberdare Echo
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- Date: 12 January 1894
- Page: Page 7
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DEATH OF AN ABERDARE MUSICIAN.
DAVID JOHN, TRECYNON, PASSES INTO HIS LAST LONG SLEEP.
On Friday morning at Trecynon there passed away an old musician, who may be considered the pioneer of music in Aberdare, in the person of Mr. David John. Mr. David John originally came to Aberdare from Cardiganshire, and settled down at Trecynon around 1850. At once he took active steps in musical organisation, and started a choir at Ebenezer Independent Chapel. About 1862 his choir performed almost all the choral music of the "Messiah." He also performed most of the music of "Judas Maccabeus," followed by Mozart's "Twelfth Mass," when he was assisted by "Caradog's" choir, who were then appearing as pioneers of orchestral music. In the other concerts Mr. John was aided by Mr. Lawrance, organist of St. David's, Merthyr, then the only capable accompanist, perhaps, in the district. Mr. John also had a great leaning towards glees, Bishop's and Mendelssohn's being learnt by his choir, as also were "Owain Alaw's", "Tanymarian's," and other Welsh composers' anthems. Mr. John figured also as a conductor in competitive music, but this was only a secondary part of his programme. When the Welsh Choir went to London there was no more ardent supporter of "Caradog's" choir than himself. During all these years he also acted as precentor, and only relinquished the office some years ago, but such was his love of music that he attended the performance of the "Elijah" by the Aberdare Choral Union last Christmas. He was twice presented with handsome testimonials by the church and musical friends. He was a musical educator himself, and has a family of well-known elementary teachers - Mr. Tom John, Llwynypia Schools, who also conducted oratorio and other performances; Mr. J. W. John, Ynyshir Board School; Miss John, Cymmer Board School; and Miss Margaret John, Bodringallt Board School.
AN IMPOSING CEREMONY.
The funeral of Mr. John took place on Tuesday, and a huge concourse of people attended. It was in the highest degree affecting, for the dead musician had a strong and deep hold on the affections of the people who knew him. The body was enclosed in a chastely polished coffin of real Welsh oak, and bore on the panel shaped brass plate the following inscription:-
DAVID JOHN,
Died 5th January, 1984,
Aged 71 Years.It was borne from the house on the shoulders of his brother deacons to the chapel, where a long and exceedingly impressive meeting was held. The Revs. J. Grawys Jones (pastor), D. Griffiths, Cwmdare; J. Davies, Soar; D. Thomas, Cymmer; G. Griffiths, Pentre Estyll; W. I. Morris, Pontypridd; M. O. Jones, Treherbert; and several others took part in the funeral obsequies at the chapel, in the house or at the cemetery. The choir, under the able leadership of Mr. W. E. Thomas, had turned out en masse, and rendered with moving effect at the services and on the way the following well-known hymns "Pen Nebo," "Nantgau," "Barford," "Abergele," "Dymuniad," "Eifionydd," "St. Luke," "Henryd," "Talybont," "Lousanne," and "Rhuddlan," in addition to which that beautiful anthem, a special favourite with the deceased, "Dyddiau dyn sydd fel glaswelltyn," was given at the chapel in a most touching manner. We should mention that the chapel accompanist, Mr. T. B. Lewis, played the "Dead March" while the people were entering the chapel, again repeating the same as they left. The coffin was literally covered with the most beautiful of wreaths. These were sent by the widow, Mrs. John, the four bereaved children, Ebenezer Chapel Choir, Mrs. Evans, Brynbach; Major Sloper, J.P., Cardiff; Mrs. J. W. Jones, Park-lane; Mr. and Mrs. J. Moy Evans, Swansea; Mr. and Mrs. Charles, Pentre; teachers of the Bodringallt School; Mr. David John, Cardiff; and Mr. J. Preece, Porth. At the service in the chapel, the Rev. J. Grawys Jones announced that he had received letters regretting inability to attend, and expressing profoundest sympathy from Caradog, Inspector James, Cardiff, and others.
The mourners were Mrs. John, the widow, Mr. Tom John and Mr. John William John, sons; Miss Mary John and Miss Margaret John, daughters; Miss May John, grand-daughter; Mrs. Tom John, daughter-in-law; Miss Gretta John and Miss Nellie John, grand-daughters; the brothers and brother-in-law, David, Evan, Scott, and David; Mrs. Davies, Dowlais; Mrs. Lewis, Swansea; Mr. John Jones, Llwynypia; Mrs. and Miss Morgan; Mrs. Evans and Mr. Roger Jenkins and Mr. Jenkins.
Among those present were the following - Revs. J. Davies, W. Harris, D. Sulgwyn Davies, W. S. Davies, W. M. Morgan, J. Grawys Jones, Aberdare; - Edmunds, Hirwain; W. I. Morris, Pontypridd; D. Thomas, Pentre; G. Griffiths (Penar), Pentre Estyll; Messrs. Alderman Thomas Williams, J.P., Merthyr; W. Humphreys, G. George, Morgan Davies, Richard Wigley, W. Charles, J. Treharne (Tibarog), Owen Harris, W. Davies, cashier, Gadlys; John Phillips, T. B. Lewis, T. Thomas, Ty'nywern; J. Thomas, M. J. Harris, H. C. Morris, D. Lewis Edmunds, J. Rees, Co-operative, Aberaman; R. H. Lewis, H. Wigley, Daniel Griffiths, John Thomas (tailor), - Jones, grocer, Bell-street; D. Arthur Thomas (sculptor), J. Davies, colliery manager, Aberaman; Daniel Evans, Hirwain-road; - Smart, dentist, Bristol; Mr. Preece, ironmonger, Porth; Rees Powell, Rees Evans, Aberdare, Professor Richard Howells, Hywel Cynon, D. H. Wigley, R. Hopkins, A.C., D. Richards, Carmarthen; and the following representing the scholastic profession:- Messrs. M. O. Jones, Treherbert; Gomer Jones, inspector of schools; J. W. Jones, Penygraig; John Evans, Hafod; J. Griffiths, Hugh Thomas, Miles Thomas, Park; T. Thomas, Barry Dock; Chalke, Pentre; and David Evans, Treorky.
From the chapel, the funeral slowly proceeded to the cemetery, where the mortal remains of the fine old Welshman were placed in their last resting place, amidst several manifestations of sorrow. It can be truly said of him that he died as he lived, a quiet, peaceful, and trusting death. It will be a long time ere the memory of "Dafydd John" will fade from the minds of the residents of Trecynon, and particularly the members of the Ebenezer Chapel and Choir.
The funeral arrangements were entrusted to Mr. W. T. Harris, Carpenters Arms, Trecynon. The mourning was supplied by Mr. G. George, Bee Hive, Aberdare, and Mr. H. I. Dix, Bridgend Mews, provided the mourning coaches and carriages.
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Y Drych
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- Date: 8 February 1894
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Y DIWEDDAR DAVID JOHN, TRECYNON
Hyde Park, Pa., Chwef. 3. - Yr oedd yn chwith genyf ddarllen yn y DRYCH am farwolaeth y cerddor galluog David John, Trecynon, a diau fod canoedd yn teimlo yn gyffelyb. Daw i'm cof adgofion am ddygwyddiadau 40 mlynedd yn ol, cyn i gapel Ebenezer ddyfod i'w ffurf bresenol, pan oedd y scwar a'r grisiau ceryg o bob tu i'r drws oddi allan yn arwain i'r llofft. Yr oedd D. John yn arweinydd y gan yno y pryd hwnw, a'r Parch. W. Edwards yn ddyn ieuanc llawn bywyd. Ond y nddiweddarach - o 1850 i 1870, y daethym i i adnabyddiaeth agos a Mr John, pan yn cyd-addoli yn Ebenezer, ac yn mwynhau y canu yno dan ei arweiniad ef. Anaml y ceir dyn mor gyflawn ag ef. Yr oedd yn llanw dob cylch yn yr eglwys - yn ddiacon, athraw yn yr ysgol Sul, a gweddiwr gafaelgar, heblaw yn arweinydd y canu. Yr odd yn "ddyn round" yn ngwir ystyr y gair.
Yn y Merthyr Express am Ion. 13, yn nglyn a hanes angladd Mr. John, crybwylla gohebydd am Lawrence, fel organydd. Cofus genyf finau ei weled yn chware yn Ebenezer mewn cyngerdd un tro, a mawr oedd ein syndod, oblegid nid oedd offerynau yn y capeli y pryd hwnw, nac ond yn bur anaml yn y tai. Cofiwyf am Mr. John yn cael yr harmonium gyntaf yn Trecynon, neu Heol y Felin, fel y gelwid y lle. Fel cymydog a phenteulu hefyd yr eodd Mr. John yn gymeriad i'w edmygu. Bum yn byw yn ei ymyl ar Church Row am ddeuddeng mlynedd; mae genyf adgofion melus am dano.
Hyfrydwcch oedd genyf weled yn hanes yr angladd enwau personau a adwaenwn mor dda - Thos. Williams, Ysw., U. H., Merthyr, ond Trecynon gynt; David Lewis Edmonds a Morgan Williams. Da y cofiwyf am y ddau olaf yn cael eu gwneyd yn swyddogion yn Ebenezer. Mae mab a merch i Edmonds yn aelodau yn hen eglyws Hyde Park, sef Lewis a Mary Ann, a da genyf ddwyn tystiolaeth i'w bywyd dichlynaidd a'u gweithgarwch crefyddol. Gwelais hefyd enw Jacob Treharn (Tiberog). Ond pa le mae yr hen frodyr, Tomi Tomos Dafydd; Twmi Shencyn; T. Shencyn, Farrier, Timothy Davies, crydd; Dr. Williams, Creunant; Thos. Evans, pwyswr, a Shencyn Griffith? Eu lle nid edwyn ddim o honynt mwy; ond mae eu henwau yn perarogli a dylanwad eu cyngorion yn aros yn nghalonau canoedd o rai sydd ar wasgar yn mhedwar ban y byd. Cofion cynes at bawb o gwfeillion bore oes yn yr hen ardal uchod. - T. J. James
THE LATE DAVID JOHN, TRECYNON
Hyde Park, Pa., Feb. 3. - I was sorry to read in the DRYCH about the death of the able musician David John, Trecynon, and no doubt hundreds feel the same. It brings to mind memories of events 40 years ago, before Ebenezer Chapel came into its present form, when the square and the stone steps from the outside door led to the loft. D. John was the singing conductor there, and the Rev. W. Edwards was a young man full of life. But later - from 1850 to 1870, I came to know Mr John, when he worshiped at Ebenezer, and enjoyed singing there under his guidance. A man is rarely as complete as he is. He filled every circle in the church - a deacon, a teacher in the Sunday school, and an earnest prayer, besides being the conductor of the singing. He was a "round man" in the true sense of the word.
At the Merthyr Express for Jan. 13, in connection with Mr. John's funeral, a reporter mentions Lawrence as an organist. I remember seeing him playing in Ebenezer in concert once, and we were very surprised, because there were no instruments in the chapels at that time, and very rarely in the houses. I remember Mr. John got the first harmonium at Trecynon, or Mill Street, as the place was called. As a neighbor and head of family, Mr. John is a character to be admired. I lived beside him on Church Row for twelve years; I have fond memories of him.
It was wonderful to see in the funeral history the names of persons we know so well - Thos. Williams, Esq., U. H., Merthyr, but formerly Trecynon; David Lewis Edmonds and Morgan Williams. I well remember the last two being made officers of Ebenezer. A son and daughter of Edmonds are members of the former Hyde Park eglyus, Lewis and Mary Ann, and I wish to bear witness to their Christian life and religious activity. I also saw the name of Jacob Treharn (Tiberog). But where is the old brothers, Tomi Tomos Dafydd; Twmi Shencyn; T. Shencyn, Farrier, Timothy Davies, shoemaker; Dr. Williams, Crynant; Thos. Evans, presser, and Shencyn Griffith? Their place knows nothing of them any more; but their names perfume and the influence of their counsels remain in the hearts of hundreds of those scattered throughout the world. Warm regards to all the early morning relics in the old area above. - T. J. James
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Y Tyst
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- Date: 19 January 1894
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DAFYDD JOHN.
Dydd Mawrth, Ionawr 9fed, claddwyd gweddillion marwol Dafydd John yn Nghladdfa Gyhoeddus Aberdar. Daeth tyrfa fawr o wŷr bucheddol yn nghyd o bell ac agos, i dalu iddo y gymwynas olaf o barch. Yr oedd wedi cyrhaedd yr oedran addfed o 71.
Y mae yr enw Dafydd John wedi bod yn adnabyddus iawn yn nghylchoedd Aberdar a Merthyr am haner can' mlynedd. Daeth i amlygrwydd fel cerddor yn bur ieuanc, a pharhoadd felly ar hyd ei oes faith.
Ganwyd Dafydd John yn Merthyr Tydfil, Mai 12fed, 1822. Enwau ei rieni oedd William a Margaret John. Genedigol o Cilgeran, sir Aberteifi, oeddynt hwy eu dau, ond wedi d'od i Merthyr y darfu iddynt briodi.
Pan yn llanc tua phymtheg neu un-ar-bymtheg oed, teimlodd argraffiadau crefyddol dwys, ac aeth at grefydd yn Soar, Merthyr. Meddianwyd Dafydd John ieuanc o'r adeg hon yn mlaen gan lawer o ddifrifoldeb meddwl. Dadblygodd yn fuan mewn defnyddioldeb. Cyn hir cawn ei fod yn faswr o amlygrwydd a sylw yn nghor Rosser Beynon, ac fel cerddor, dysgybl ydoedd i'r gwr enwog hwnw.
Tua'r flwyddyn 1848, yr oedd gweithiau haiarn a glo Aberdar yn cynyddu, a'r lle yn myned rhagddo yn fawr. Penderfynodd Dafydd John symud o Ferthyr i Aberdar. Cymerodd hyny le yn mis Ebrill, 1849, ymaelododd yn Ebenezer, Heolyfelin, o dan weinidogaeth y Parch William Edwards, ac yma y treuliodd weddill ei oes. Bendithiwyd ef a phedwar o blant, sef Mr Tom John, Llwynypia, golygydd y Glamorgan Free Press; Mr J. W. John, ysgolfeistr, Ynyshir; Miss Mary John, ysgolfeistres, Cymer; a Miss Margaret John, ysgolfeistres, Bodringallt. Nis gwyddomam neb a lanwodd yr enw tad yn well na Dafydd John. Ni welsom erioed hefyd fwy o anwyldeb parchus yn bodoli rhwng rhieni a phlant nag oedd yn nodweddu ei deulu ef.
Wedi ymsefydlu yn Aberdar, daeth Dafydd John ar unwaith, i amlygrwydd neillduol fel cerddor o radd uchel. Cymerodd at y gwaith o godi y cor a'r ysgol gân i weithgarwch ac effeithiolrwydd yn Ebenezer. Dygodd i mewn amryw ddiwygiadau pwysig. Cyn hyn arferai y merched ganu tenor, a'r gwrywod ganu yr alaw. Gosododd yntau y merched i ganu soprano, a'r bechgyn i ganu tenor. Yn fuan iawn daeth cor Ebenezer i sylw mawr dan arweiniad Dafydd John. Ffurfiwyd cor undebol yn Aberdar er mwyn cystadlu mewn eisteddfod yn Merthyr. Y darn cystadleuol oedd 'Parotowch y Ffordd' (gwaith Daniel Charles Lewis, y crydd). Priodol iawn y gellir dyweyd fod yr amgylchiad hwn wedi 'parotoi y ffordd' i bethau mwy i ganlyn. Bu enill yn Merthyr y tro hwn yn symbyliad i gymeryd darnau mwy mewn llaw, ac enillasant lawer buddugoliaeth wedi hyny. Gellir edrych ar Dafydd John fel pioneer canu clasurol yn nghylchoedd Aberdar. Dysgodd i'w gor yr oll o'r 'Messiah' (Handel). Y rhan fwyaf o 'Judas Maccabeus.' Perfformiodd y 'Twelfth Mass' (Mozart), a chynorthwyid y perfformiad hwn gan string band Caradog, y cyntaf o'r natur yma yn Aberdar. Yn yr adegau hyn bu rai o brif gerddorion y Deheudir yn canu yn ei gor yn achlysurol, megys Dan Griffiths, Aberdar; Caradog; W. T. Rees (Alaw Ddu), Silas Evans, &c. Yr oedd Dafydd John yn gefnogol iawn i weithiau awdwyr Cymreig, megys Owain Alaw, Tanymarian, Ambrose Lloyd, Ieuan Gwyllt, &c. Trwy ei lafur diflino felly cododd y cor i sylw mawr yn y cylchoedd hyn. Gelwid am ei wasanaeth i gynal cyngerddau er cynorthwyo eglwysi ieuainc a gwan. Bu ef a'r cor o bryd i bryd yn cynal cyngerddau i'r amcan hwn yn Carmel, Treherbert; Ferndale; Ynysgau, Merthyr, &c. Ond yn nghanol llafur dibaid o'r tu allan, ei ofal penaf oedd am waith rheolaidd yr eglwys yn Ebenezer. Yr oedd yn ymgysegredig i achos Duw yn ei holl ranau yn ei eglwys ei hun. Fwy nag unwaith anrhegwyd ef gan eglwys Ebenezer fel arwydd o'i pharch dwfn iddo, yn gystal a'r gwerth dwfn a roddai ar ei ymdrechion parhaus. Yn y flwyddyn 1860, anrhegwyd ef â swm o arian ac harmonium da, a dyma y cyntaf a ddaeth i Gwm Aberdar. Yn Ionawr, 1875, cafodd ei anrhegu drachefn gan yr eglwys â piano rhagorol ac anerchiad hardd, a swm o arian, am ei ddylanwad iachus, a'i egni di-ildio gyda chaniadaeth y cysegr, ac o blaid cerddoriaeth yn gyffredinol. Yn y flwyddyn 1856, dewiswyd ef yn ddiacon. Llanwodd y swydd bwysig hono gyda ffyddlondeb a medr eithriadol am 38 o flynyddau. Yr oedd Dafydd John yn ddyn cyflawn a da yn mhob swydd, ond fel arweinydd canu cynulleidfaol, yr oedd fel Paul yn uwch o'i ysgwyddau i fyny nar lluaws o'i gwmpas. Yr oedd yn meddu ar fedr rhyfeddol hefyd i ganfod yr hyn oedd eisieu ei wneyd yn yr eglwys - yr oedd gofal arno ef am yr achos, ac am bob rhan ohono - yr oedd yu gyfaill trwyadl i'r weinidogaeth.
Yn ei ymddangosiad allanol yr oedd bob amser yn barchus. Yr oedd yn meddu i raddau helaeth ar y peth a elwir Presence. Nid oedd neb, wedi ei weled unwaith, byth yn methu ei adnabod ar ol hyny. Yr oedd Dafydd John o gorff lluniaidd a hardd, yn dalach na'r cyffredin, ei wynebpryd yn hawddgar-ddifrifol, ei holl symudiadau yn sydyn a bywiog, ei besychiad yn fyr ac uchel, ac yn wahanol i bob pesychiad a glywsom erioed. Gellid ei adnabod ganllath, neu fwy, oddiwrtho yn y tywyllwch, oherwydd neillduolrwydd ei besychiad.
Cerddai yn gyflym a gwisgi. Gwelsom ef yn 70 oed yn cerdded i Cwmdar, Hirwaun, Llwydcoed, a Tresalem, i rehearsals y gymanfa ganu, a llawer un ugain mlwydd yn ieuengach yn cael y gwaith mwyaf yn y byd i'w ddilyn. Yr oedd bob amser yn llawn o fyn'd, symudai yn mlaen gyda'i oes, neu yn hytrach o'i blaen. Arosodd yn berffaith ieuanc yn ei ysbryd a'i syniadau hyd y diwedd. Ni phetruswn gredu ei fod yn un o'r dynion duwiol mwyaf progressive yn ei Enwad, a phan fyddai wedi gwneyd ei feddwl i fyny i symud yn mlaen, llwyddai braidd yn ddieithriad, oblegid yr oedd yn llawn o deimlad caredig at rai o farn wahanol iddo ei hun, ac eto yn benderfynol, a dyfalbarhaol. Priodol iawn y dywedodd y Parch W. I. Morris, Pontypridd, yn ei angladd, 'Na ddaliodd neb ymchwiliad erioed yn well nag ef. Pa fanylaf y byddid yn ei chwilio, goreu oll yr ymddangosai efe. Yr oedd yn ddiniwed heb fod yn wasaidd. Yn ddidderbyn-wyneb, heb fod yn dramgwyddus, ac yn arweinydd canu o radd uchel, ac heb fod yn chwyddedig a gellid teimlo yn sicr, gan nad faint adawodd ar ol i'w weddw a'i blant, nad oedd cymaint ag un swllt brwnt yn y cwbl.' Nodweddid ef â'r un didwylledd a ffyddlondeb yn ei lafur gyda'r achos. Gwnaeth lawer yn gyhoeddus ac yn ddirgel i feithrin heddwch, a theimlad da. Medrai argyhoeddi dyn ei fod yn caru ei les. Nid oedd un amser yn dyweyd ei fod yn ddyn plaen, fel y mae arfer rhai, ac eto yr oedd y n hynod o blaen a llym, ond ei fod yn feistr ar y gelfyddyd o gynghori a cheryddu, fel mai anaml iawn y byddai ef yn methu gwneyd lles yn y cyfeiriad hwn. Parchai Dafydd John dy Dduw a'i wasanaeth gydag ysbryd llawn o ddefosiwn. Yr oedd hyd yn nod coed a cheryg ty Dduw yn gysegredig yn ei olwg. Prin yr wyf yn meddwl fod nemawr wydryn wedi ei osod mewn ffenestr o gwmpas y capel a'r ysgoldy, neu gloc wedi ei lanhau, neu ganwyllbren, neu fwrdd, neu sedd, neu gadair wedi ei hadgyweirio, nad oedd ef wedi bod yn gofalu am hyny. Y gwir yw, ni wnaed na bychan na mawr yn nglŷn â'r achos, na fu Dafydd John yn cymeryd rhan flaenllaw ynddo. Nid oedd pall ar ei ffyddlondeb a'i sel grefyddol. Gwelir hyn yn amlwg yn ei waith yn dilyn yr ysgolgan yn gyson hyd y diwedd. Pedair blynedd yn ol rhoddodd ofal yr ysgol gân i fyny, ond parhaodd hyd ei farwolaeth yn arweinydd y canu cynulleidfaol. Wedi i'r eglwys, ar ei gais ddewis W. E. Thomas i ofalu am yr ysgol gân yn ei le, y cynorthwywr mwyaf ffyddlon a didwyll a gafodd yr arweinydd newydd o hyny hyd yn awr oedd yr hen arweinydd enwog. Er dim ni chollai ysgol gân, gofalai fod yno yn siriol ei ysbryd i galonogi yr arweinydd a'r ysgol gân, ac yr oedd ei bresenoldeb yn llawnder gwerthfawr. Credwn mai addurn penaf ei gymeriad godidog oedd ei ysbryd rhagorol. Dyma yr elfen a beraroglodd ei fywyd crefyddol maith a llwyddianus, ac fe erys dylanwad hwn yn hir iawn, a bydd cofio Dafydd John yn help i fyw yn dduwiol yn Nhrecynon a'r cylch.
DAFYDD JOHN.
Tuesday, January 9th, the mortal remains of Dafydd John were buried at Aberdare Public Cemetery. A great crowd of living men came together from far and wide, to pay him their last respects. He had reached the age of 71.
The name of Dafydd John has been well known in the Aberdare and Merthyr districts for half a century. He came to prominence as a very young musician, and so continued throughout his long life.
Dafydd John was born in Merthyr Tydfil, May 12th, 1822. His parents were William and Margaret John. They were both natives of Cilgeran, Cardiganshire, but married after coming to Merthyr.
When he was a boy about fifteen or sixteen years of age, he felt intense religious impressions, and came to faith in Soar, Merthyr. Dafydd John, though young, went forward from this point with much seriousness of mind. It soon developed in usefulness. We soon discover that he was a bass singer of prominence and attention in Rosser Beynon's choir, and as a musician he was a pupil of that famous man.
About 1848, Aberdare's iron and coal works were increasing, and the place was much advanced. Dafydd John decided to move from Merthyr to Aberdare. This took place in April, 1849, when he became a member of Ebenezer, Heolyfelin, under the ministry of the Rev. William Edwards, and here he spent the rest of his life. He was blessed with four children, Mr Tom John, Llwynypia, editor of the Glamorgan Free Press; Mr J. W. John, schoolmaster, Ynyshir; Miss Mary John, schoolmistress, Cymmer; and Miss Margaret John, schoolmistress, Bodringallt. No one knows the name of the father better than Dafydd John. We also never saw more respectful affection existing between parents and children than was typical of his family.
After settling in Aberdare, Dafydd John immediately came to prominence as a musician of high caliber. He took to the task of raising the choir and song school to activity and efficiency at Ebenezer. He brought in various important reforms. Previously the women sang tenor, and the males sang the melody. He set the girls to sing soprano, and the boys to sing tenor. Ebenezer's choir soon came to prominence under the leadership of Dafydd John. A union choir was formed in Aberdare to compete in an eisteddfod in Merthyr. The competitive piece was 'Parotowch y Ffordd' ['Prepare Ye the Way'] (the work of Daniel Charles Lewis, the shoemaker). This circumstance may well be said to have 'paved the way' for larger things to follow. Winning in Merthyr this time was a catalyst for taking bigger pieces in hand, and they subsequently won many victories. Dafydd John can be regarded as a pioneer of classical singing in the Aberdare circles[1]. He taught them all over the 'Messiah' (Handel). Most of 'Judas Maccabeus.' He performed the 'Twelfth Mass' (Mozart), and this performance was assisted by the Caradog string band[2], the first of its kind here in Aberdare. On these occasions some of the leading Southern musicians occasionally sang in his choir, such as Dan Griffiths, Aberdare; Caradog; W. T. Rees (Alaw Ddu), Silas Evans, & c. Dafydd John was very supportive of the works of Welsh authors, such as Owain Alaw, Tanymarian, Ambrose Lloyd, Ieuan Gwyllt, & c. Through his tireless labour the choir thus rose to great attention in these circles. He was called for his services to hold concerts to assist young and weak churches. He and the choir occasionally held concerts for this purpose in Carmel, Treherbert; Ferndale; Ynysgau, Merthyr, & c. But in the midst of countless outside labour, his primary concern was the regular work of the church in Ebenezer. He was dedicated to the cause of God in all his parts of his own church. On more than one occasion he was rewarded monetarily by Ebenezer chapel as a mark of their ongoing deep respect and the value placed on his continued efforts. In 1860, he was gifted with a good sum of money and a harmonium - the first to come to the Aberdare Valley. In January, 1875, he was again presented by the church with an excellent piano and a beautiful address, and a sum of money, for his wholesome influence, and his unwavering energy with the sanctuary, and for music in general. In the year 1856, he was elected Deacon. He filled that important job with exceptional loyalty and skill for 38 years. Dafydd John was a good and good man in every job, but as a congregational singing conductor, he was like Paul, head and shoulders above all around him[3]. He also possessed a remarkable ability to ascertain what he wanted to do in the church - for which he cared for the cause, and for all parts of it - he was a thorough friend of the ministry.
In his outward appearance he was always respectable. He was largely in possession of the thing called Presence[4]. No one, having seen him once, could fail to identify him after that. Dafydd John was of a memorable and handsome body, taller than average, his face easy-going, his movements quick and lively, his cough short and loud, and unlike every coughing we have ever heard. He could be known a hundred or more from him in the dark, because of the particularity of his cough.
He walked fast and agilely. We saw him at the age of 70 walking to Cwmdar, Hirwaun, Llwydcoed, and Tresalem, to the rehearsals of the singing festival, and many a good twenty years younger would have had their work cut out to keep up with him.. He was always full of vigour, moving forward with his years, or rather preceding them.. He stayed perfectly young in his spirit and ideas until the end. We do not hesitate to believe that he was one of the most progressive godly men in his Denomination, and when he had made up his mind to move forward, he was almost invariably successful, for he was full of a kind feeling for those with different views to himself, yet determined, and persevering. The Rev. W. I. Morris, Pontypridd, very fittingly said at his funeral, 'No one ever undertook research into new ideas better than him. The more detailed it was searched, the better it seemed. His manner was inoffensive, without giving in. He stood up to his detractors without being offensive and was a leader of high caliber singing, and not proud, and one could certainly feel that, given how much he had left for his widow and children, there was not one shilling dirty at all.' He was characterized by the same sincerity and fidelity in his daily work as in the [chapel] cause. He did much in public and in secret to foster peace and a good feeling. He could convince a man that he loved his welfare. He did not once say that he was a forthright man, as is the practice of some, and yet he was very plain and strict, but he was a master of the art of counseling and correcting, so that he was rarely failing to achieve peaceful resolution in such matters. David John respected the house of God and his service with a spirit of devotion. Even the knots in the wood of the trees and the stones of the house of God were sacred in his appearance. I hardly think that a glass was placed in a chapel or schoolroom, or a clock cleaned, nor a candle, table, seat or chair repaired that he did not have a hand in. The fact is, nothing small or large related to the Cause happened in which Dafydd John did not take a prominent part. His faithfulness and religious zeal were undeniable. This is evident in his work following the students until the end. Four years ago he handed over care for the choir scholars, but remained until his death the leader of congregational singing. The church then, at his request, chose W. E. Thomas to take charge of the choir scholars in his place - the most faithful and sincere assistant that the new leader had from then until now was the famous old leader. He did not then abandon the choir school but made sure to be there cheerfully, to encourage the conductor and his presence of great value. Surely the greatest mark of his excellent character was his open-minded spirit.This is what bears testimony to the authenticity of his long religious life, and this influence will last a very long time. The memory of David John will help those in Trecynon and the surrounding area to live godly lives.
[1] Classical singing could have been quite controversial at the time, as it was seen as quite avant garde for a chapel choir.
[2] "String bands" at the time were mostly made up of harps, which were considered seemly in chapel.
[3] Referring to Paul climbing to the rock of Ares in the Areopagus in Athens. The implication is that he was boldy setting a new standard of faith.
[4] Charismatic, but with his charisma coming from God.
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Notice of Interment - Trealaw Cemetery
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- Date: 2 August 1907
- Page: Margaret John
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- Date: 9 November 1907
- Page: Dafydd John
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Burial Register - Trealaw Cemetery
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- Page: Plot G604
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Evening Express
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- Date: 8 August 1907
- Page: Third Edition, Page 2
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Citation:
LATE MRS. TOM JOHN
The remains of Mrs. Tom John, Tonypandy, were laid to rest at Llethrddu Cemetery on Wednesday afternoon. The funeral was attended by a large number of the general public, and by many well-known figures in the scholastic world, in which Mr. John, as ex-president of the National Union of Teachers, is so well respected. Owing to the illness of Mr. John's son, Dafydd, the service at the house was dispensed with. Officiating at the graveside were the Rev. T. Richards (Tonypandy), the Rev. T. G. Jenkin (Llwynypia), the Rev. T. Williams (Clydach Vale), and the Rev. W. Charles, M.A. (Treorky). Letters of condolence were received from the Bishop of St. David's; Mr. Arthur R. Pickles, president N.U.T.; Mr. J. H. Yoxall, M.P., secretary N.U.T.; Mr. T. P. Sykes, ex-president N.U.T.; Professor Anwyl, Aberystwyth; Mr. A. T. Davies, Welsh Educatioc Department; Mr. Harry Coward, ex-president N.U.T.; Mr. G. Sharples, ex-president N.U.T.; committee of the Aberporth Chair Eisteddfod, and many others.
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Weekly Mail
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- Date: 10 August 1907
- Page: Page 12
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Citation:
LOCAL OBITUARY NOTICES.
MRS. TOM JOHN, LLWYNYPIA.
Widespread sympathy is expressed with Mr. Tom John, M.A., Llwynypia (ex-president of the National Union of Teachers), at the death of his wife, Mrs. Margaret John, which took place at Ceinfan, Tonypandy, on Thursday night.
Mrs. John had had a long and painful illness, and was in consequence unable to attend the recent National Union of Teachers' conference, at which she and Mr. John were to have been the recipients of a. presentation. Deceased was attended to by Dr. Edwin Morgan, who was in constant consultation with Dr. Maclean, of Cardiff, but, despite the best medical aid, she succumbed to an attack of internal cancer.
By the death of Mrs. John a gap will be left in the social life of the district. The deceased lady was a prominent figure in all philanthropic work in the district in which she had lived, and worked assiduously for its social development. The daughter of the late Mr. Frederick Lewis, of Penygraig, she was married to Mr. Tom John 33 years ago. Throughout her life she has rendered her husband sympathy and encouragement in his public career and acted as a help-meet. Unassuming in her manner, the soul of integrity, and with a wonderful charm of womanly sympathy, she passed a useful life, assisting any cause of deserving charity, at the same time devoting herself to the best interests of her family.
For the past two months Mr. John's son has also been laid up with a serious illness, and is now confined to his bed.
The remains of Mrs. Tom John, Tonypandy, were laid to rest at Llethrddu Cemetery on Wednesday afternoon. The funeral was attended by a large number of the general public, and by many well-known figures in the scholastic world, in which Mr. John, as ex-president of the National Union of Teachers, is so well respected. Owing to the illness of Mr. John's son, Dafydd, the service at the house was dispensed with. Officiating at the graveside were the Rev. T. Richards (Tonypandy), the Rev. T. G. Jenkin (Llwynypia), the Rev. T. Williams (Clydach Vale), and the Rev. W. Charles, M.A. (Treorky).
Letters of condolence were received from the Bishop of St. David's; Mr. Arthur R. Pickles, president N.U.T.; Mr. J. H. Yoxall, M.P.. secretary N.U.T.; Mr. T. P. Sykes, ex-president N.U.T.; Professor Anwyl, Aberystwyth; Mr. A. T. Davies, Welsh Education Department; Mr. Harry Coward, ex-president N.U.T.; Mr. G. Sharples, ex-president N.U.T.; committee of the Aberporth Chair Eisteddfod, and many others.
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